Monday, February 6, 2012

I am extremely concerned for the planet becuase the consumption of meat depletes our precious resources like freshwater, land, trees. The pollution it produces, and the global hunger that it causes. How can we show people the devastating effects of their diet and how to change their destructive habits? I'm not saying we should take meat away from people, but so that they can reduce their consumption.|||Live by example. It's really the simplest method. I really do not do anything, but live my life and I have influenced so many people. They see what I'm doing, how simple it is, and that I haven't starved to death, or become ill, or whatever their silly imagination can come up with. They see that I'm fit, energetic, youthful... They ask questions... I answer them. I never tell anyone anything, they always ask eventually. At work, people ask questions about my lunch (since I always make a from-scratch lunch for myself and family, and they almost never do, and my lunch looks an smells good, so they start asking questions like) "What is that?" "You always have such interesting lunches." bla bla bla, and eventually they notice that there's never meat in there, or perhaps I decline an offer to have some of their meat or dairy food they are eating etc. and people put two and two together. I get fewer and fewer questions about where I get nutrients etc. from as people like me spread general information around about food, nutrition, etc. and nearly everyone knows another vegan, "Oh, my sister..." Sure, people will say, "I could never live without my meat," but in reality, I've met people like that who, one year later, have given up their meat. It's a shift in perspective, is all. We don't really need to be trying to hammer information into people, just trying to shift their perspective, because they already KNOW, they just have to see it.|||we need to educate ourselves, stay educated and approach people in a thoughtful and reasonable manner. we can't come charging at people accusing them of things that they very well may not be aware of of. we can't be abrasive or self righteous. my approach is purely for health reasons. some people may not care about the earth, but they may care about how long they live.|||Education. There will always be all those dearest hunters who are beyond reach; but the only hope is to educate as many people as possible. Some of them might learn something by accident in the process, but don't hold your breath.

So the best thing you can do is arm yourself with the facts. Don't trouble yourself with material from peta or greenpeace, go straight to the source: the United Nations Environment Program and FAO. The reports they produce are the result of scientific analysis and these are where pro-veg organisations get their material from (when it's true). If you use material from peta people will say "oh but thats peta, they are crap blah blah blah" but if its from the united nations it is much harder to argue with (except for climate change deniers, who already know that the UN are nostril deep in the conspiracy lol).

If someone responds to some of your facts with (for example) a claim that world hunger is a distribution problem rather than a production problem, you can point to the data in the UNEP report which shows that population is set to increase to 9 billion by 2050 and their projection that food production needs to double in order to STAY AT PRESENT COSTS or it will become significantly more expensive. Chances are we will not be able to produce that much anyway, due to the already significant impacts on biodiversity from agriculture RIGHT NOW. So starvation is only a distribution problem if you think about it in terms of the past and ignore the immediate future.

So immerse yourself in the data and have your bases covered in preparation for those who assume that what they think is true despite never having researched it.|||Well first it doesn't cause ANY world hunger. World hunger is mainly a distribution problem. There already is enough food in the world, the problem is getting it to them along with poverty, and corrupt governments. When there already is enough food planting more won't help.

Yes you are right about pollution and resources. But EVERY industry causes these same problems. Even produce (fruits/vegetables) farming. So are you concerned about this industry also and the countless others or is you focus just on meat?

Don't listen to GC the so called vegan biologist. Even the united nations has admitted that their report is false and over exaggerated.|||What do you think the result would be if everyone stopped eating meat this second ? I don't know what you based this conclusion on but you are not getting your information in the real world .There are so many real problems in the world you could worry about and it's sad to see that once again satan has placed an imaginary burden upon someones shoulders to cause them to spend their precious time and energy trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist .You could try to figure out if you are right with God or not and think about what will happen to you once you die but I am sure the mere mention of this will sound like complete foolishness to you until the day that you die and then it will be the one and only thing so many people will worry about but it will be to late. But then again what do I know|||People should be able to eat what they want. Its great that you want to help the planet, but people have been eating meat since the beginning of their existence and it hasn't affected them in a bad way. If you want to help the planet, then create more recycling stations and make more things biodegradable. Don't start telling people they shouldn't eat meat. They choose to eat it, so let them. Eating meat isn't destructive, its human nature.|||You can start by minding your own business.|||Aree you a freegan?

The most popular brand of soymilk is Silk. Who owns Silk? Probably the largest dairy company in the world.

Morningstar Farms is owned by Kellogg Co. Huge farms kill lots of animals in production of those cornflakes you eat every day.

That's just two major "veg*n" brands that you likely support every day while you moan about the rest of us eating meat. There are many, many more. Not to mention the tofu you eat might well be made from soybeans grown where the rainforest in Brazil used to be.

Until you make the leap into freeganism, you've got no grounds to tell the rest of us how to live.

"The creator of Freegan.info, Adam Weissman, elaborated on consumer veganism’s comparative shortfalls in an interview with Satya magazine:

The word freegan was chosen largely to satirize an attitude prevalent among many vegans who seem unconcerned about the social and ecological impacts of the goods they purchase—so long as they are vegan. Sweatshop-made Nike shoes are fine, as long as they aren’t leather. Chocolate soymilk is great, despite the destruction of rainforests, exploitation of child slaves in the African chocolate trade and use of GMO plants.

The term freegan was created to express the notion that to live the “cruelty-free” lifestyle vegans advocate, we need to remove ourselves as much as possible from the capitalist economy, rather than taking the tunnel-vision perspective that we should only be concerned about animal flesh and secretions.

To many vegans, freeganism may seem marginal or extreme. Yet many vegans fail to recognize that the organized vegan community reflects bourgeoisie, white, liberal cultural norms, and to people outside of this demographic, eating tofu instead of hamburger can seem far weirder than getting good food that a store has needlessly thrown away.

Organic farmers will shoot, trap and poison mammals, birds and insects as readily as non-organic farmers—they simply won’t do it with petroleum-based pesticides. And of course, many organic farmers subsidize animal agriculture by using factory farm manure to fertilize their crops. Even agriculture practices not intended to harm animals cause massive numbers of deaths—machine threshers chop animals to bits, animals on land or in dens are crushed under agricultural machinery, small animals are shredded as soil is tilled.

I came to realize that for an animal liberationist, an organic, vegan diet was a lot like buying meat at the supermarket—being complicit in animal oppression, but letting someone else do the dirty work, so we don’t have to think about it."

http://letthemeatmeat.com/

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