Friday, February 24, 2012
without agriculture, like a hunter-gatherer society without the hunting?|||Practicing veganism as a sort of animal rights/welfare issue, no. Eating a vegan diet (temporarily at least) because there is no other food to eat yes. People eat food to survive. If that food happens to be all plants, or all eat or a combination of both, so be it. There may be some sub groups that have separated from the main tribe in order to pursue some sort of vegan type religious practicesor rituals but there appears to be no solid evidence to show such a thing occurring.
Before farming, animal or plant, humans, hardly pursued any other activity outside the gathering, hunting or scavenging for food. Even their "arts and crafts" were mostly directed towards portraying hunting scenes and crafting weapons to be used for hunting. Agriculture/farming did result in a more dependable and plentiful source of food thus allowing humans to pursue other endeavors such as philosophy which is basically just what modern veganism is.
PS I just watched Nat Geo feature on an "indigenous" Laotian tribe where they had a traditional salad of 90% plants (herbs mostly) and ant eggs. That's right, ant eggs because apparently, even without formal scientific knowledge, their ancestors already knew the importance of protein in a diet. And ant eggs were a viable option.|||I don't think so, just like it is very rare for indigenous societies to drink milk. (Only a few have.) Depending on where they lived and the season, it could be next-to-impossible for them to get enough food just by foraging. Many plant foods are also relatively low in fat, which is of course essential. Protein may also be an issue in some parts of the world. Animal flesh provides both of these. Remember that indigenous societies also do not enjoy many benefits that we do. They generally need to do most, if not all, of their work by hand. They may or may not have clothing that fully protects them. They may or may not have effective shelter. They basically can only count on their bodies, whereas we have tools and technology. In a situation like that, you take it where you can get it, and you probably want the source that takes the least energy for you. Five guys take down a deer and they can feed all of their families, immediately. With agriculture, it's a lot of work over a lot of time, which isn't practical when you are using only the sweat of your brow. Again, they have limited food storage, so a large harvest isn't going to do them much good if they can't preserve it right away.|||No. There's no archaeological evidence of any veg*n group, tribe, etc., in human history.
On the other hand, the Inuit of the north were a healthy near-carnivorous people until they became "civilized" and started eating a lot of wheat based foods. Now their health is generally pretty bad. Some of them have gone back to eating the traditional diet (lots of animal fat) and seem to be doing better.
Humans need vitamin B12. It's simply not available in a strictly plant based diet without supplementing, either pills, shots or manufactured B12 which has been put into highly processed foods.|||There still are tribes that exist that have had very little or no communication with the outside world. None of them are vegetarians. And scientists believe none have ever been either. The vegetarian diet is not natural. These tribes don't have grocery stores, they have to eat what the region they live in provides them. The HAVE to supplement their diet with meat. This is proof that the vegetarian diet is not natural.|||There are still some ppl in society that still practice this today.|||Yes, the name isn't coming to me but I believe a ruler in China banned the killing and consumption of animals and people abided by it, but that was many years ago.
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