veganism: Vegans do not believe in using animals for entertainment, or anything else... Humans are animals, does that mean that vegans should not watch porn? If pornography is to be considered entertainment then this seems to present a problem that I have not seen addressed.|||yes unless it was shot using film ( probably a rarity nowadays anyway) which uses gelatin, an animal slaughter by product.. or the sex is with a horse... any porn that was made without consent of the actors is illegal and therefore not okay for anyone, vegan or otherwise|||Well, in many cases--movies, TV shows, musicians, professional sports, and the like--humans perform willingly and by signing a contract have given their consent. I mean, nobody is forcing hockey players, for example, to go out there and "perform" for the entertainment of others; they willingly went into this game and are compensated and treated well. Same with any actor in mainstream entertainment. One cannot say the same for non-human animals in entertainment, such as dog or horse racing or circuses. When it comes to pornography, there are other issues. As lo_mcg pointed out, some women are forced or coerced into it by abusive partners. Women are treated horribly in the making of the films as well. Objection to pornography stems from a feminist/human rights angle and not so much an animal rights angle, although humans are, biologically speaking, very much animals. I have also heard that non-human animals are sometimes used in pornographic film, and since they cannot possibly consent, this is problematic. You might want to check out Carol J. Adams' "The Sexual Politics of Meat" or the more accessibly written (as in less academic) "The Pornography of Meat" to see how meat-eating and exploitation of women are linked.|||Vegans object to, and want to minimise their contribution to, animal suffering and exploitation. I would hope that most feel the same about human suffering and exploitation. The porn industry is a hotbed of violence, degradation and humiliation; to say that humans can consent or otherwise is absurd. Do people who say this really think this is a voluntary activity, undertaken by people who enjoy it? Do they think the same about prostitution? I don't know if anyone here is old enough to remember the porn 'star' Linda Lovelace, whose most notorious film was 'Deep Throat' - probably the most famous porn film ever? A typical example of a porn star seeming to actively enjoy her on screen activities, by all accounts. In the late 70s Lovelace wrote her autobiograpy, detailing the abuse, violence and rape involved in her life as porn actor, including an occasion where she was eventually persuaded to take part in a scene she had been reluctant to paricipate in - at gunpoint. It was a powerful and deeply disturbing expose of the porn industry; I doubt anyone will be able to assure me things have changed since then.|||This question is a joke right? Vegans do consider humans to be 'animals' but to take that in a literal sense is ludicrous. Just like a lot of people believe that breast milk from a woman is somehow not vegan. Vegans and vegetarians don't believe in humans exploiting other animals. If gorillas wanted to make gorilla porn (lol) that's non of our business, if we as humans wanted to make gorilla porn that would be wrong. There is nothing wrong with human porn.|||If porn were not vegan, then music, movies, television, ballet etc. would also not be vegan! However, this is not the case. Vegans avoid as much as possible cruelty and exploitation of animals - in (legal) pornography, humans willingly provide the entertainment so it is not considered exploitation. So in summary, pornography is vegan.|||If you beat baby humans with bullhooks/ropes/tasers to train them for your porn show, hell yeah I'd have a problem with it. The exact same way I have a problem with that happening to baby elephants to train them for the circus. As the former has yet to occur, I shall focus my energy on stopping the latter.|||hmm.. don't porn stars consent to being on film? I guess I never thought much of it. Even if it had nothing to do with veganism, porn, like prostitution sounds pretty unethical to me. It would still be under human rights not animal rights though. Although we are all animals it's kinda like how I support fair trade when I can, but most of the time I will buy things that were probably made in a sweat shop... If you really need to watch porn, but you feel sorry for the porn stars, then stick to HENTAI! :P|||Firstly I have to say Reply 1 and thr33: you are very smart individuals. IMO Answer: There are a lot of vegetarian even vegan animals that aaaaall reproduce.Many of these multiple cell organismsms do not reproduce asexually, they reproduce sexually. Thus for reproductive need, animals keep interest in sex. Now instead of mating frantically, the human animal takes advantage of it peek sexual virility mimicking sex through mental/visual stimulation. If we were to devolve, we would become agressive in nature towards sex. And it is true that the Human animal in essence is extremely different in a lot of sense of animalistic behaviour. Mainly because this animal has great ties to socio-economics. Directly causing it to be more evolve in many cases again. But social and economics pressures are directly part of the human animal, which is not in any other animal. They live by nature. NOW my point is we control and modify soooo many aspects of life which are absolutely not natural. So in definition we are absolutely not animals, only because we are celled organisms are we animals. When we control our means of transportation (ie. horses/cars instead of our natural legs), our methods of food production (massive scale production, instead of hunting gathering like all other animals) we already lose the definition of a natural animal. NOW if we were animals we would regress, but evolution of our mind has made us smart. If we were to attract, and mate according to a backword animalistic sexual prowess we would be very aggressive in attaining mate even violent, (and with the evolved brain violent to a very smart/sneeky degree). So thus the strains of society have in essence allowed of evolve. Its a tough topic but evolution of man has many major ties with socio-economic topics. NOW sexuality is very very very normal (in the proper circumstances). You understand that when sexual virility is no longer available. So enjoy it in the true context of sexual intrigue, because that is what it is, and try to evolve along the way. READ between the Lines. Again this is just an oppinion, and me just talking/typing, but hey sex is a topic I enjoy, and is very normal. AAAAND being VEGAN is perfectly natural. There are animals that HUNT and eat meat, AND there are animals that are strictly Herbivours, its a natural evolution, or unnatural evolution; who knows, but again that choice allows one to make changes in ones body (or evolve). Look at a horse full vegatarian, look at a rhino or elaphant total vegans, I think. These are majestic animals, nothing but power from what? Plant based nutrients. Look at the predators in nature they hunt naturally, within their means, also very powerful. But one thing in common in animals, is they all have sex. Its just the way of the world. Now another issue for pro-non-pornography, is that if looking at pornography is wrong, then by deduction one should only have one mate, not multiple partners ever. Sights on/for one; by definition or logic I'm assuming. Now whoever does not concede to the rule in essence is at fault and wrong, or by definition of law, against law. So the only straight answer or right answer to "pornography is wrong" is absolute and pure MONOGAMY, and nothing else. And God bless those lucky Souls. <- If God exists in the realm as we know it. Hope this kinda makes sense....."eeek" {;-\} aaand im not a good speller please forgive.|||Humans are only animals in the sense that we are mammals. Everything else about us sets us apart from them. So, yes, pornography is legitimate entertainment for vegans.|||Humans are capable of consent (so long as they're over the age of consent where they live/are performing), so yes, porn involving only consenting human adult performers is vegan-friendly, IMO.|||It depends- some pornography is probably not suitable, particularly films where women are filmed crushing small animals.|||Consent is the key. If a person willingly participates in performing for pornography then no harm no foul Tangentially related may be "The Sexual Politics of Meat" by Carol J Adams|||lol save that question for the relegious category|||Humans give consent. Animals do not.|||The one is not related to the other.|||No. That's like the whole "breastmilk isn't vegan" bullcrap.|||only if it's guy/guy or girl/girl.|||You are right that vegan may have taken it too far and act their "veggie" too serious/personal as if it is regilious. It is in bible that we christians are not supposed watch porno or do anything committed to adultery sins , it seems that vegans act like christians when they don't even believe in His name. Wow, some vegans may base their veggie on regilious when saying to not watching porno, wearing anything link to animal products, eat it...mind you they are sometimes worse! It is up to you, only if you want resist . You should not take for a man (vegan or flesh) word but yourself. Since you are the one who decide to changing to be veggie since ever. Why turn back to take vegan's advice now? they aint your gods...I was going be vegan but I aint going be taking it far. You know why? I know that some vegans are psycho for saying not wearing anything, involve fun, etc...that why I ain't taking their advice I have my own only one "GOD" already I can worship and listen to.